No securely dated early report of Ramla's birth or birthplace was identified. She belongs to the early Islamic generation of Imam Ali's daughters.
Ramla bint Ali
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Ahl al-Bayt
Probable
Burial place unknown
Imami source baseline
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Ramla bint Ali, often distinguished as Ramla al-Kubra, is recorded in genealogical and Imami works as a daughter of Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib. Al-Mufid and several later genealogists identify her mother as Umm Sa'id bint Urwa ibn Mas'ud al-Thaqafiyya, while Ibn Shahrashub transmits a different maternal attribution, so the maternal line should remain qualified. Early genealogy preserves her marriages to Abu al-Hayyaj Abd Allah ibn Abi Sufyan ibn al-Harith and, later, Mu'awiya ibn Marwan; her detailed personal chronology, death and burial are not securely preserved.
Ramla's date and place of death are not securely established in the early sources checked.
No verified burial place or historically secure grave attribution was established. Any later local attribution should remain unverified unless supported by independent evidence.
Biography and historical profile
Ramla bint Ali belongs to the household of Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib and is commonly distinguished in later genealogical writing as Ramla al-Kubra. This distinction is important because other early Muslim women bore the name Ramla, most famously Umm Habiba Ramla bint Abi Sufyan, and some lists of Ali's daughters also mention a Ramla al-Sughra. The profile therefore concerns the daughter of Ali identified in the family lists, not those namesakes.
Al-Shaykh al-Mufid lists Umm al-Hasan and Ramla among Ali's daughters and identifies their mother as Umm Sa'id bint Urwa ibn Mas'ud al-Thaqafiyya. Ibn al-Jawzi and al-Irbili preserve the same maternal attribution, and a Talibid genealogical work expands Umm Sa'id's Thaqafi lineage. However, Ibn Shahrashub assigns Umm al-Hasan and Ramla to Umm Shu'ayb al-Makhzumiyya and gives different daughters to Umm Sa'id. Because the sources diverge, Umm Sa'id remains a probable rather than absolutely certain maternal attribution.
Through her father, Ramla was a member of the Banu Hashim and a paternal half-sister of al-Hasan, al-Husayn, Zaynab and other children of Ali. Through the maternal attribution favored by al-Mufid, she was also connected to the Thaqif lineage of Urwa ibn Mas'ud. The surviving sources do not preserve a developed account of her education, public activity or transmitted sayings; her historical trace is mainly genealogical and familial.
The clearest independent notice about her adult life appears in Mus'ab al-Zubayri's Nasab Quraysh. It states that Ramla was married to Abu al-Hayyaj, whose name was Abd Allah ibn Abi Sufyan ibn al-Harith ibn Abd al-Muttalib, and that she bore children to him. The same notice says that the descendants of Abu Sufyan ibn al-Harith later died out and that Mu'awiya ibn Marwan ibn al-Hakam subsequently married her. This evidence records her place within two important Qurashi family networks but does not justify adding unnamed children or further domestic details.
Later popular and devotional biographies sometimes associate Ramla with the events of Karbala, but the early genealogical notices inspected for this profile do not securely establish her presence there, her captivity, or a personal role in the aftermath. Those claims have therefore not been presented as verified history. The same caution applies to modern statements assigning her a precise death place without an identifiable early source.
No securely dated early account of Ramla's death or burial was found in the sources used here. There is also no verified grave attribution or primary shrine snapshot in the received administrative record. Her enduring historical importance lies chiefly in the preservation of her name within the family of Ali, the evidence of marriage links among major Qurashi houses, and the way differing genealogical lists illustrate the need for caution when reconstructing the biographies of early women whose individual lives were only briefly recorded.
Al-Shaykh al-Mufid lists Umm al-Hasan and Ramla among Ali's daughters and identifies their mother as Umm Sa'id bint Urwa ibn Mas'ud al-Thaqafiyya. Ibn al-Jawzi and al-Irbili preserve the same maternal attribution, and a Talibid genealogical work expands Umm Sa'id's Thaqafi lineage. However, Ibn Shahrashub assigns Umm al-Hasan and Ramla to Umm Shu'ayb al-Makhzumiyya and gives different daughters to Umm Sa'id. Because the sources diverge, Umm Sa'id remains a probable rather than absolutely certain maternal attribution.
Through her father, Ramla was a member of the Banu Hashim and a paternal half-sister of al-Hasan, al-Husayn, Zaynab and other children of Ali. Through the maternal attribution favored by al-Mufid, she was also connected to the Thaqif lineage of Urwa ibn Mas'ud. The surviving sources do not preserve a developed account of her education, public activity or transmitted sayings; her historical trace is mainly genealogical and familial.
The clearest independent notice about her adult life appears in Mus'ab al-Zubayri's Nasab Quraysh. It states that Ramla was married to Abu al-Hayyaj, whose name was Abd Allah ibn Abi Sufyan ibn al-Harith ibn Abd al-Muttalib, and that she bore children to him. The same notice says that the descendants of Abu Sufyan ibn al-Harith later died out and that Mu'awiya ibn Marwan ibn al-Hakam subsequently married her. This evidence records her place within two important Qurashi family networks but does not justify adding unnamed children or further domestic details.
Later popular and devotional biographies sometimes associate Ramla with the events of Karbala, but the early genealogical notices inspected for this profile do not securely establish her presence there, her captivity, or a personal role in the aftermath. Those claims have therefore not been presented as verified history. The same caution applies to modern statements assigning her a precise death place without an identifiable early source.
No securely dated early account of Ramla's death or burial was found in the sources used here. There is also no verified grave attribution or primary shrine snapshot in the received administrative record. Her enduring historical importance lies chiefly in the preservation of her name within the family of Ali, the evidence of marriage links among major Qurashi houses, and the way differing genealogical lists illustrate the need for caution when reconstructing the biographies of early women whose individual lives were only briefly recorded.
Historical importance and legacy
Ramla bint Ali is historically important as a named woman of the Alid household whose identity is preserved across both Imami and broader genealogical literature. Her entry helps map the daughters of Imam Ali beyond the most frequently narrated figures and records marriage connections between branches of Banu Hashim and other Qurashi families.
Her profile also demonstrates an important method for early Islamic family history: a repeated name in later literature does not remove disputes about maternal attribution, marriage records or participation in major events. Preserving the secure genealogical core while clearly marking disagreement prevents devotional memory or modern repetition from becoming unwarranted certainty.
Her profile also demonstrates an important method for early Islamic family history: a repeated name in later literature does not remove disputes about maternal attribution, marriage records or participation in major events. Preserving the secure genealogical core while clearly marking disagreement prevents devotional memory or modern repetition from becoming unwarranted certainty.
Family relationships
👪 Parents
Father
Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib
Probable
Mother
Umm Said bint Urwa
Probable
🤝 Spouses and marriage links
Mu'awiya ibn Marwan
Confirmed
🌱 Children
Sources
al-Irshad | al-Shaykh al-Mufid | vol. 1, p. 354 in the linked digital edition | https://ito.lib.eshia.ir/86018/01/354 | Lists Umm al-Hasan and Ramla as daughters of Ali and identifies their mother as Umm Sa'id bint Urwa ibn Mas'ud al-ThaqafiyyaNasab Quraysh | Mus'ab ibn Abd Allah al-Zubayri | vol. 1, p. 45 | https://lib.eshia.ir/40519/1/45 | Records Ramla's marriage to Abu al-Hayyaj Abd Allah ibn Abi Sufyan ibn al-Harith, children from that marriage, and her later marriage to Mu'awiya ibn Marwan
Talqih Fuhum Ahl al-Athar fi Uyun al-Tarikh wa-l-Siyar | Ibn al-Jawzi | vol. 1, p. 80 | https://ar.lib.eshia.ir/40094/1/80 | Corroborates the name Ramla al-Kubra and the maternal attribution to Umm Sa'id bint Urwa
Kashf al-Ghumma fi Ma'rifat al-A'imma | Ali ibn Isa al-Irbili | vol. 2, p. 68 | https://lib.eshia.ir/16052/2/68 | Corroborates Ramla al-Kubra among Ali's daughters and names Umm Sa'id bint Urwa as her mother
Manaqib Aal Abi Talib | Ibn Shahrashub | vol. 3, p. 89 | https://lib.eshia.ir/16066/3/89 | Preserves the alternative maternal attribution to Umm Shu'ayb al-Makhzumiyya, establishing a genuine genealogical disagreement
al-Muntaqala al-Talibiyya | Abu Isma'il Ibn Tabataba | vol. 1, p. 262 | https://lib.eshia.ir/13178/1/262 | Expands the Thaqafi maternal lineage in the tradition identifying Umm Sa'id as Ramla's mother
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